How Bad is Crime in Buenos Aires?

Editor’s Note: I originally published this article back in 2009. Since then, I’ve received many comments and emails from both tourists and Porteños concerned about crime in the great city of Buenos Aires. Is the city safe? Is crime getting worse? Read below for the original story plus recently updated comments.

How bad is crime in Buenos Aires? The question is more difficult to answer than you might think.

On one hand, many people who have visited Buenos Aires will say things like “I walked everywhere in Buenos Aires at all hours of the day and night and never had a problem or felt unsafe. I saw women pushing their strollers at midnight for gosh sakes. It’s safe.”

On the other hand, you will hear people who have been touched by crime say things like “the crime here is horrible, especially against tourists. You wouldn’t believe the stuff that goes unreported.” And you can certainly read stories in the newspapers about robberies, murders and all manner of terrible crimes taking place with alarming frequency.

So who do we believe?

We could turn to official statistics and try to compare crime rates in Buenos Aires with that of other cities, but that won’t really answer our question. First of all, official statistics are probably not accurate. The police are not sufficiently organized to provide accurate statistics. Plus the government is notorious for reporting inaccuracies. For example, last year the government reported the official inflation rate at 8% when any objective measure will show that it was closer to 25%.

Another reason crimes rates aren’t that relevant is that most crime happens in parts of the city where tourists never go, in impoverished areas nothing like Palermo or Recoleta or other tourist zones.

So that leaves us with anecdotal information. Let me pass along a few personal stories and observations that I hope may answer the question about how bad crime is in Buenos Aires, in particular as it relates to tourists. I’m not out to scare anyone. I just want to try to answer the question posed in the title of this blog entry.

First of all, I wouldn’t even think about wearing an expensive watch in Buenos Aires. I know it would set me up as a target for robbery in any neighborhood. By comparison, I would have no hesitation wearing that same watch in any city in Canada or the United States. Does that mean that Buenos Aires is more dangerous than Canada or the US? In this regard, I would say yes. Money is tight and unemployment is high. That breeds desperation and crime.

Here’s another thing I wouldn’t do in Buenos Aires. I certainly wouldn’t go to a bank, withdraw a large sum of cash (thousands of dollars), then catch a taxi in front of the bank. I’ve read too many news stories of people being robbed or killed this way. Again, I wouldn’t have the same fear in New York or London or Tokyo. It’s different here.

Perhaps my cautious nature is paying off. I’ve spent a lot of time in Buenos Aires over the past few years and I’ve never had a problem. But I’m tall, male and speak Spanish. And I do think this city is more dangerous for women than men.

For example, last September Clarín (a local newspaper) reported on a taxi driver who would pick up lone female tourists outside a Palermo nightclub late at night and sexually assault them. The newspaper indicated that at least eight women were attacked before police captured the man.

Last month, in December, the newspaper also reported on not one but two, separate serial rapists committing a string of attacks on women in Recoleta. The attacks occurred in the daytime, even on a Sunday afternoon. The rapist would follow a woman into a building, pretending he lived there or was visiting a friend.

So women do need to take special precautions. But, sadly, isn’t this true in all big cities?

I do feel the level of crime in Buenos Aires is rising. A female Argentine friend of mine recently told me “this year for the first time I felt unsafe in my city. My grandmother has been robbed twice. It’s getting bad.”

But we need to put all the crime horror stories in perspective. Buenos Aires is a huge city of some 13 million people. Of course awful crimes are going to happen. They happen here but they also happen in Toronto, Munich, Sydney and Paris — in all big cities, everywhere.

To sum up, I believe the question “how bad is crime in Buenos Aires” is best answered by a quote I read in a report prepared by the US Overseas Security Advisory Council:

Crime is a serious problem in Argentina that can be managed with common sense precautions.”

I encourage you to read the report which includes advice on how to avoid becoming a victim.

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  1. JG Says:

    Portenos live in fear. All one has to do is look, realy take a look, at their faces as you walk around. Faces of fear, pananoia, suspicion, wondering WHEN will they all end. Women gripping their handbags in ALL parts of town, especially the downtown business district, gripping their bags as a mother would hold on to her child in a shipwreck. For all the crime back in the USA, people seem far more cheerful, relaxed, confident, and their faces show it.

  2. Buenos Aires Real Estate Says:

    BA is like a every big city, with some places that I do not advice you to get in..
    Just keep a low profile and not to appear to be a trurist, this means basically, (i) no wearing big a hat (ii) no camera over your neck and (iii) no expensive watch. get to the street with with some pesos and change.

    Leave the passport in the hotel/apartment. If you will need to take a cab, ask for a radio-taxi if possible.- Following this tips you will avoid some risky situations.- Enjoy the city!

  3. Conor Says:

    I spent a lot of time in Bs As and I have to say I was robbed once but that was me being very silly and not being vigilant. It was the only time I was not but it was not as if I was constantly worried and minful of things but basic common sense went a long way. Compared to other cities in the region and internationally crime is a concern but not as bad as other cities.

  4. Chris Says:

    Hi. As someone who lives in buenos aires and works in the business centre, I can tell you that in this particular place most of the crime is of “opportunist” type. That is, in this area it will be extremely rare to be assaulted and gun pointed at, but what will be frequent is for someone trying to grab a woman’s purse or other easy to spot and pick objects.

    That is, you mostly don’t have to fear for your life in this part of the city (which is where many hotels are and where I see most of the tourists every day), but you do have to be careful with your possessions, as a distraction can mean its loss.

    Oh, and another one for males: DO NOT pay attention to those girls on the streets that want you to lure you inside some bar announcing the presence of beautiful girls and the likes. There are no sexual services being given there, and all they are going to do is try to bill you a lot of money for just entering the place (I’ve seen these girls specially seeking tourists, though many naive porteños will fall for it, too)

    As for girls, specially european and american ones… Ladies, I must tell you that you are very easily spotted as tourists. Try to dress more like our Argentinian females and a bit less casual because, thanks for your usually more than average height and distinctive features which are not too frequent here, you can be easily spotted as a tourist, which is no good for you in this city.

    As for shopping here, well, prices are not so good but I could tell you at least of some places where the dollars or euros are not taken at a ridiculously low exchange rate. (For example, in “galerías pacífico” there are many shops that take foreign money at better than market exchange rates, though the prices there are on the higher end)

  5. big sir Says:

    the answer is that b.a. is not more dangerous than any other large city with 10 million plus people. lived in b.a. for three years (all over cap. fed.), with marginal spanish skills, but took cabs on street level at all hours and other than avoiding villas and outer areas, often in company of an american woman (una rubia), never had a problem. never.

  6. MZ Says:

    I tour alone the streets of BA and had no problem. Of course exercise common sense, like everywhere else. Also girls, avoid eye contact, when its not necessary, with males on the streets.

  7. Bigmac Says:

    I would agree with all of the comments made on crime in B.A.

    I heve been there 15 times in 7 years and only had one problem ( I was not being vigilant enough and the guy stole my bag with Camera /I.Pod / keys from behind my seat and between my feet ).
    I went to the police station and reported it and was fortunate enough to get a Policeman who spoke English.
    On return to U.K. I got 120 pounds from Insurance Company – which was great because I was expecting zero return due to excess on policy.

    I’m sure umpteen people have stories about crime in major cities and , of course, everyone will have had a different experience e.g. despite being robbed in B.A. I continue to feel very safe there Rio, however, is a different animal – although I wasn’t robbed at no time in 4 days ( day or night) did I feel safe there.

    It is usually a question of common sense rules 1

  8. Jake Says:

    I just came across this post, and I think the comments are all pretty accurate. I have spent a considerable amount of time in Bs. As. During my most recent stay, I had to venture into some of the less appealing neighborhoods and suburbs to conduct interviews. I used various means of transportation to get to and from these places: subway, train, bus, hired ride, taxi, walking, etc. I never had a problem, but I did feel a bit uncomfortable in a few of the lower income neighborhoods during the day. The poverty is noticeable outside of the middle and upper middle class neighborhoods of Bs. As. (e.g. Recoleta, Palermo, Belgrano, Caballito). It is really quite sad. Areas like Recoleta can trick foreigners into thinking that Argentina is a fully developed country. If you are just going for a short vacation, then simply avoid the non-tourist areas. Most portenos that I know have been robbed at some point in their lives, whether it was a purse, wallet, or cell phone. Usually, it was just petty theft. This can often be avoided by using vigilance and common sense. During my last stay, quite a few people also mentioned that counterfeit money is becoming a problem, especially 100 peso bills. Taxi drivers have a reputation for scamming people with these bills; I never had a problem with any taxi drivers in Bs. As. Although I did notice on one occasion that a non- “Radio Taxi” charged a higher fare. Bs. As. is an amazing place, and well worth visiting!

  9. Austin Says:

    Well I was in Buenos in 2002 and 2005 and always loved it, but this time in 2010, I noticed the situation has gotten really bad. Prices are rising, Americans/Canadians and Australians are charged an entry fee to enter, and safety in NOT what it used to be. My friend and I were victims at Freddo on Callao when two pistol armed men held up the store and took cash from the register, took jewelry from women and slapped around a senior gentlemen. WARNING!!!!! BE VERY VERY CAREFUL IN BA. I am telling everybody to avoid BA at all costs!!
    Do not be fooled, BA is NOT the city it once was! Wrong time, wrong place, maybe, but is it worth spending money and time in a city that is out of control?

  10. A. Razzaq Says:

    I am planning to visit friends in BA, I am learn that BA is safe place. Unless small crimes like bag or cell phone and you will find such crime everywhere in the world.

  11. Pancho Lopez Says:

    I’m a Mexican (there aren’t many of us arround down here in BA) and of course I speak spanish, believing that there aren’t any dangerous place as Mexico City I fell to the trick of those girls on the streets that want you to go inside some bar announcing the presence of beautiful girls (luckily I had no Argentine pesos only Mexican pesos, but had my AmEx and other CCs). They promise to just sign and invitation (which by the way had naked girls on it) and suprinsingly delivered drinks for the girls that work as hostests, on that moment I denied profountly on having anything, telling the bartender I had not order anything and that I had no Argentine pesos on me, on that moment everything changed suddenly the girls and the bartender came real close to me demanding me to proof to them that I had no Argentine pesos. On that moment I realy got scared. I was alone inside a dark unknown place and practically been rob. I feel very lucky that as soon as I showed them my 200 pesos bills they left me go.

    bill you a lot of money for just entering the place (I’ve seen these girls specially seeking toto urists, though many naive porteños will fall for it, too)

  12. Will Says:

    I have been to many “dangerous” world cities like Rio for instance, and honestly its all about using common sense. I have felt much more at risk in several American cities (try getting lost in North Philly) than in just about any other city in the world. Just make sure to a)never carry large sums of cash, b) never wear expensive jewelry or watches c) don’t carry some very expensive designer bag(s) and d) make sure to do a little research on the more spotty areas of the city so you don’t wander into them or take extra precautions when you do.

  13. Fred Says:

    I have been here for three months and I have been robbed twice. That being said, both times were very late at night and both times I was doing something i shouldn’t have been doing. If you are here with your family and just walking around, you will be completely fine. You can walk anywhere at anytime as long as there are other people around. If you are being loud and walking around drunk in an area where there is almost no one around between 2 and 6 in the morning, which is what I was doing both times, then your chances of getting robbed dramatically increase.

  14. Mariano Says:

    Hi: i am argentinean and i CAN TELL that crime is BAD…
    The problem is that foreign people do not have a chance to report crimes as many of them do not speak spanish and our police can hardly speak proper Spanish (can you imagine English?)
    Crime, drugs, prostitution, violence, corruption you can find them ALL OVER the place.
    It is a worldwide issue the decay of the “once beautiful” and safe cities: Johannesburg, Detroit, Buenos Aires, Mexico city, etc. still a nice destination to go though… but be very cautious!

  15. Alison Says:

    As a young woman studying abroad, I avoid carrying a bag at all costs when I leave my apartment. If I have to carry one, I guard it with my life. Also, if you are carrying anything remotely valuable, ladies, put it in your bra, your jean front pockets, etc. Places that are not easily robbed. One time I discovered that my backpack had been opened but nobody had taken anything because all I had in there were pencils and notebooks. Several of my friends have been robbed in the 3 weeks that I have been here. Also, have a local describe to you what a real peso looks like. If you need change back when you’re in a cab, always check out the pesos to make sure they are not counterfeit.

  16. Cristian Says:

    I know my city very well, the thing is, average argentines are (I’m one) too naive and paranoic with crime propaganda sold on TV. I commute and spend a lot of time during day and night, I’ve only saw some cases of distracted victims who were stolen their bags or something, but too few of them in many many years…
    It’s true crime increased, but it’s still MILES AWAY from dangerous cities like Sao Paulo, Rio do Janeiro, Mexico DF, Colombia, etc..
    I’m used to see lot of turists very comfortable in good mood. From time to time I see very ridiculous people announcing to all directions their foreign conditions by wearing texan hats, or big cameras, well, I wouldnt encourage that.
    Anyway, you MAY be robbed, if you walk alone at night in an empty street outside the nicer areas..
    I wouldnt recomend San Telmo, its ugly, I still dont see why you are all taken to tour that neighbourhood, also downtown at night only Av. de Mayo and Corrientes avenues, other streets in downtown might look a little scary and totally empty.
    I would recommend you the Theatre scene, is very rich in my humble opinion..

  17. Chuck Says:

    I have been to Buenos Aires 14 times over the past 6 years..and I love that place…and my wife has been there 10 times and felt very safe….We were there in January 2010 and now Oct. 2010..and things have changed very quickly. On arrival the 16th of Oct..our apartment in Recoleta was not ready..so we walked the short blocks to Recoleta y cemetario….with all of the nice restaurants…when it was time to leave we started back when suddenly we were squired …not bird poop.but mustard…While the girl was going to try to clean us up from the ¨bird poop¨aka mustard…I knew the scam…so we got out of there.

    The next morning we went to Plaza Mayo…and then took a radio cab to Caminito la Boca…and the drive warned us of the crime in the area and told us to be careful…He stopped aways from the usual taxi spot in Caminito la Boca..and the fare was $18 pesos…so I gave him two $10 pesos..and he refused them…and want other money…so, of course..I told him all I had was $100 peso bill which he looked at and then gave it back to me…We ended up giving him the two $10 pesos and walked to Caminto la boca. When we asked for taxi to return to Plaza Mayo…I told the driver I only have $100 peso on me and he said that was fine…When we got to Plaza Mayo…I gave him the $100 and he looked at it and said it was Falso…conterfite…so we knew we had been taken by the other radio cab. And the radio cab was not the Radio Cab with the sign on top…which is the safer taxi to use.

    On the next Thursday night after dinner,,,my wife suggest ice cream at the local Freddo…and I sugggested walking down to Recoleta restaurant area and sitting outside since it was only 8pm. We were only one block from the area when a couple who were walking towards us were attacked..and mugged by a young guy and his watch snatched..right in front of us. And of course, one of his partners to the crime was waiting just across the street..where the attacker jumped on the motor bike and they rapidly escaped.

    As a result my wife became very scared in Buenos Aires and insisted on returning home early to the US. And she said she never wants to come back…..She was very fearful the next few days just walking the streets of Recoleta.

    I talked with my Argentine friends..and all have simliar stories and fear that the petty crime is getting much worse and now..there is the threat of kidnapping…etc. in this beautiful city.
    Before…I felt free to walk most anywhere in the central Buenos Aires at night…but after all of this…I stayed close to home…Avenida Pueyrredón y Juncal…

    I was hoping to bring another group of Americans down here..but now…I question that.

    And now…I too…am crying for Argentina y Buenos Aires!!!!!

    Chuck in Spokane, Washington

  18. Cristian Says:

    Chuck, I understand you…
    The thing is, the richer areas are more surveiled by scammers and motorbikers, because of it’s high average of distracted and/or very naive tourists… I’m used to that areas and never see that, BUT, of course, it happens… I Think Tourists are Having Pattern Habits that targets them as possible victims…
    I know a lot of foreigners coming to different areas and getting mixed within the population, and daring to behave normally, I Guess if you dont have the time, you wont…

    I always thought that I was going to be robbed in an area were I’d feel safe, and that happened, 1 block away of my girlfriend’s house in Palermo..
    I live bodering the city in a suppossed more dangerous area, and never see nor knew about a robbery, BUT it may happens of course…

    Still I refuse of get intoxicated by paranoia and exacerbating rough attitudes that ONLY TARGETS YOU AND MAKES YOU LIVE WORST…

  19. Alan Says:

    I lived in Buenos Aires and have visited all over Argentina. I used to walk around with my wallet in my back pocket! My wife who I later met is Argentinian and told me off for being so wreckless, but the point is I never got it stolen, although it was pretty stupid I felt safe enough to do so which is the point. In London I would not feel safe enough to do the same. She has told me stories but nothing worse than I hear from people who live in London. You go to a big city you should always expect stories and that things do happen.

  20. Jana Says:

    I lived in argentina for 6 years of my life, and live now in the USA. Buenos Aires is THE most beautiful place to visit. I understand that the crime there is high, but at the same time, I know people who have lived there for 14 years and have NEVER gotten assaulted. It all depends where you stand in the city. If you stand in “good” areas at decent times, with friends, nothing will happen to you. If you do spend time around the not recommended neighborhoods at undecent times (2 am-6am) there is a possibility for a crime to accure. Buenos Aires is an amazing place to visit and live, and i adore it more than anything.

  21. Edward Says:

    Our beautiful 21 year old daughter who has never lived in a city is going to BA to study Spanish for six weeks. We have made arrangements for her to live with an Argentine family in San Telmo. Do you think she will be safe?

  22. CJ Says:

    Yes, she will have a great experience in a wonderful city, but she needs to be smart and take basic precautions she would take as a female travelling alone in any major city. In particular, she should always go out with friends, not alone, especially at night. Generally classmates studying Spanish always hang out together so this shouldn’t be a problem. Also, I find that young women travelling to BA often feel so safe that they ignore basic safety precautions. She will have a great time and will likely fall in love with the city.

  23. Alan Says:

    Hi, I left a message previously saying Bs As is safe as anywhere. I am visiting right now and exactly the same happened to me as “Pancho Lopez” described above. Except my experience happened midday. A woman handing out flyers for a bar/strip club on Florida. She insisted I take a look as it was just off the main street, she said she would not receive commission if I just took the flyer. Being extremely stupid I though that may be I can take a look and just show them that she gave me the flyer. I was immediately worried on entry as it was a long dark staircase leading to a very dark and dingy place. A women grabbed my arm and pulled me into the back. No sooner had she more or less pushed me in then a drink was served and I was asked to pay $60 I said no and explained I had just come to take a look. Suddenly two other girls appeared blocking the way out, one grabbed my arm and all of them turned aggressive and asked me to pay. From there a guy turned up and started threatening me. I was forced to handover $100 as I had nothing smaller, on seeing the rest of my money they wanted more. At which point I felt my life was now in danger. I had a choice to lose more money and possibly worse or run for it. I took the second option and barged everyone out the way and made a run for the door. I escaped with just scratches on my arm, my flip flops which had come off and $100 lighter.PLEASE TAKE CARE IF YOU SEE WOMEN HANDING OUT FLYERS!!!

  24. David Says:

    Robberies are the most popular sport and way to get easy money in Buenos Aires Capital City. The robbery at Banco Provincia is just part of daily life here, and of course the city government turns a blind eye on everybody and spends public funds on new park benches, tourist attractions and the like, Here’s some video footage from a robbery at my candy store that took place back in July 2010. Nice and quick and well planned as you can see, after reporting it to the police and almost every other store on our block being held up at gunpoint, of course we still NEVER see a police officer around here. The mayor, Mauricio Macri, just had a lovely wedding and loves to blame the president for everything that happens in the country, however he is the one in charge of the police, but of course does nothing to protect the people…….NOW YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN BUENOS AIRES, CAPITAL FEDERAL!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypn-gjCETr4

  25. Kari t Says:

    I was just in BA in November, 2010. Here is what happened to me (I’m a woman travelling with my boyfriend, and we were there to visit Argentive friends).

    1) I got up from lunch and left my bag (not purse, shopping bag) under the table. Thirty minutes I rushed back to retrieve it, and found it safe and sound behind the counter, waiting for me,

    2) I took a seat on the metro and slung my purse over my shoulder, and had a passerby lean over and move it to my other shoulder. “Not good,” they said while moving it.

    3) My boyfriend was following hte blackberry to a museum nearby. The blackberry was wrong and we were headed down a dangerous street. One woman started yelling at us but I didn’t understand spanish and my BF was too busy talking to our host to hear. A few moments later a group of young men approached and said to our host, in spanish, “Please don’t go any further, it isn’t safe.”

    4) My BF dropped his ATM card at the door of bank (after withdrawing cash). We took a few steps down the street and heard someone running after us. It was the bank gaurd. He asked my BF to step back inside the bank and asked him a few questions. When he was assurred of the response he handed my BF his card back.

    But takeaway to readers: While BA has its dangers, and yes you will stand out like a sore thumbed tourist, people are friendly and helpful.

  26. Robin Says:

    Hello everyone.

    I have been having this discussion with a friend, and apparently we disagree on the relative crime levels in Buenos Aires. I am an american woman who has lived in BA for almost three years now, and I have had three incidences, all relatively minor.

    I had been jogging on a common running path in the daytime, when it began to rain. I dont mind the rain so much, so I continued on. Two men seem to have been waiting for me on a foot bridge, and they corralled me to one side of the bridge where they ripped the ipod off my arm and took off.

    A year or so later, I had been walking from the train station in Belgrano at around 6 in the afternoon, and again, it began to rain. A man approached me and grabbed my arms, I think trying to get at my cell phone. I got away and ran to my friends house down the street.

    The very next morning in Retiro I had liquid poured on my arm and it was the old pick pocket scam that happens in so many European and South American cities. My pocket had been picked!

    It is my opinion that you should not wear expensive jewelry here, nor should you walk around on your cell phone or have your cell phone exposed. You should not expose your ipod, and as a woman you should definitely not make eye contact with men. They tend to let you know if you are attractive and they are not afraid to come up and talk to you.

    The villas (slums) here are quite pronounced. A coworker of mine told me that just recently people from a villa derailed a freight train to loot what was inside.

    In US cities, I feel there are neighborhoods where you can walk relatively confident that you wont have a necklace ripped off of you or your pocket picked. I dont feel that is the case in BA. In my experience you have to be vigilant in all neighborhoods here, as petty theft and muggings can happen in each Barrio.

    A horrible thing happened to a coworker of mine (a woman in her 70s) where she was attacked in her own home and robbed by an entire family, including a woman and a small child.

    My friend tells me that BA is just as safe as a US city of the same size and I disagree. Maybe because I have had incidences myself. I am not sure. I just know that I, too, am now one of the many people either clutching their bags to their chest, or wearing a backpack in the front. My ipod has a new home, which is in my well-locked apartment.

    It is so difficult to nail this question down, as all cities have their dangers. It is easy to spotlight just one incidence. I still love BA and am glad it is where I live. It is a city rich in culture and alive with energy. Definitely the good outweighs the bad here for me still.

  27. Chuck Says:

    My second to last day,,I took the Subte from estacion Pueyrredòn to Catedral…the D line.
    As I got on…I moved immediately to the opposite door where I could hold on…but,,,somehow a woman seemed to be blocking me…and it was then when I sensed my billfold was taken and it was. I immediately told a friend I was with..and he went immediatly to where the woman was still standing and retrieved my billfold. She said, she did not take any money…but only 50 pesos were missing.

    While I should have had my billfold safely protected in my lower leg pocket…I had forgotten and put it in my hindpocketl. I was lucky to get my billfold back with a couple of credit cards. And I should have know better..but I was rushing around to get on Subte.

    But,,I have to wonder…¿where were the police on the platforms or even on the subte like other metropolian cities? No where!!!…and as Argentina looses the vauable tourtist trade,.they will have to start to protect people with much more security visibility.

    My Argentine friends all have similiar if not worse stories of the petty crime which is escalating in Buenos Aires. Too bad…but it is happening and getting worse.

    I have been down there many times…but recently,,,I have been touched with their crime there…what is next…for worst things will be happening unless it is stopped!!

    Just be very careful…with everyhting…everyone..etc…but try to enjoy this wonderful and beautiful city.

  28. alejandra Says:

    To know the trues, People need to read local news papers and or local TV on intermet and following the real argentinian life!! it does not matter that you probably don’t understand spanish, someone could help you to translate the real news!!
    Best Wishes
    A

  29. alejandra Says:

    http://www.clarin.com/

    http://www.tn.com.ar/

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar

    http://www.perfil.com/

    …….alejandra Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    February 14th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    To know the trues, People need to read local news papers and or local TV on intermet and following the real argentinian life!! it does not matter that you probably don’t understand spanish, someone could help you to translate the real news!!
    Best Wishes
    A

  30. Erik Hansson Says:

    After all, Buenos Aires is such a lovely and exciting city (at least to a tourist), that it’s worthwhile to go there, once and twice!
    Try to avoid the tourist-look, and keep taking normal precuations.

  31. Ray Says:

    I love BA, spent a month there last spring and enjoyed it greatly and am now considering a move there (wife is Argentinian) but the crime does concern me.

    People here are saying it is safe then telling stories about the 2, 3, or more times they were robbed. I am currently near Cleveland Ohio, not exactally a low crime area, and I do not know a single crime victim, not one in my entire circle of friends

    The problem there is obvious and growing, and it can be laid on the steps of the Police. Clean them up or lose one of the most beautiful cities in the world. All of Argentina has tremendous potential, why do you put up with so much nonsense?

    Yes we have more crime in the US, but it is usually restricted to certain areas, and yes we too are losing the battle, but you in Argentina have much more to work with, if you would just clean up your act.

    It all comes down to the police, if a policeman is crooked, send him to jail, in the general population of the prison, with people he sent there. Believe me, corruption will diminish

  32. David Says:

    I wouldn’t go blaming the police for the crime problem. Here in Buenos Aires, just like most major cities around the world, there are too few police (but more are being added) and too many criminals. A police force can only be stretched too thin before it’s not effective. There has to be VISIBLE police presence to deter crime. However the problem here in Argentina is too few employment opportunities that can make you a good living wage, hence marginal people turn to a life of crime as they feel hopeless. Small but visible changes are happening, more police are being hired, their pay is being increased, and there is a tough and experienced new chief of security (ministra de seguridad) whose name is Nilda Garré. Are there some corrupt police? I am sure but not the majority by far. Most are hardworking civil servants who put their lives at risk each and every day. There needs to be political changes here in Buenos Aires for crime to permanently go down, playing around with the police force like pieces on a chess board only deters and supresses the crime problem, it does not reduce it or make it go away. Education, employment and political stability are recipies for a safe city and society.

  33. Cris Says:

    Don’t know what you guys find so pretty about BA (I live there), specially after being in South Beach, Miami… But if you still like it and want to come here, just try these rather common sense hints:

    – Never have expensive things in sight in crowded downtown areas. These include: SLR Cameras and the likes, smartphones,etc.
    – Please, don’t dress like Indiana Jones when you come here. That way you are spotted as a tourist from miles away, and targetted more frequently by opportunists, scammers and petty thieves. Also, many street resellers will try to lure you to hidden shops that are not advisable.
    – Carry some local currency around, but not a lot. In Argentina, you can’t still use credit cards in lots of places, and if you carry US Dollars, you’ll be getting around 10% worse exchange rates than you should, most of the time. Sometimes even less!
    – Electronics are expensive here. And it’s hard to get new stuff. Don’t even bother shopping for these unless strictly needed
    – Don’t trust taxis without a roof sign. Premium Taxi and Radio Taxi are among the ones you can trust, but there are many fake ones out there that can mean an awful surprise.
    – Avoid backpacks in crowded areas, or carry them in front of you.
    – Don’t store wallets or cell phones in your pants’ back pockets. Only use the front ones.
    – Don’t leave valuables at a restaurant’s table while, ie, you go to the rest room, unless someone else stays and keeps an eye on your belongings.

    Things like those should help make your stay much more pleasant.

  34. Jason Says:

    Hey,

    I live in BA for some years now, first time here was on 2005, things have drastically changed over the last few years, the prices on everything has rised up ridiculously, I used to take cabs for going almost everywhere, now it’s really expensive to grab a cab in BA, I’ve been coming and going between US and Argentina, so I can see the differences and the changes in BA.
    I’m an ex-marine myself so I kinda have notion of taking caution around the streets,
    to look all angles while I walk everywhere, here’s my advice for tourists who come to BA,
    always have a look in the streets both sides, in front of you and behind you discretely.
    There is a fact for ‘pungas’ and thieves down here, check out their appearances, the dirtier,
    dark skinned, the shitty clothes they wear, these are key points to keep in mind for people that are highly pontential thieves. If you’re male always keep your wallet hide in front of you, under your boxer if you can. If you’re a woman take your purse really close to you all the time.

    Be safe while you’re here and good luck to everyone

  35. markus Says:

    I lived in BA for 6 years now and do development in SLUMS, with children and teens at risk!

    I have heard many stories from Argentines about the unsafety and Not to wear a watch etc.
    If you watch argentine news you will notice that the local robberies get all the attention in the media, the tiniest car crash will get hours of tv comments about unsafety, so people feel unsafe because of all the media spreading fear.
    In the past 6 years we had (only) 3 robberies in a team of 6 volunteers, working in SLUMS!
    In comparison, I was 2 times robbed and 8 times attacked living some years in Berlin, got in the middle of a gunfight on vacation in Jamaica and was chased with a gun in sumervacation in Florida USA.

  36. Marcelo Says:

    I couldn’t agree more with that quote from the advisory board in the US.
    A firm demenor will get you a long way. and try not to stand out of the crowd. If they stare you down look back as hard and you wont be the one!!

  37. Chad Says:

    I went to Argentina. I have family there. I didn’t being my Iphone because they said I was going to get rob. Nothing Happen, I fear walking since everyone was telling me those stories. Not sure why they like causing so much drama. They shouldn’t be making a big deal of crime where things happen everywhere. Like my cousin car was stolen. Same thing could happen in West Virginia.

  38. Richard Says:

    I can’t believe that so many of you are blaming yourselves for being victimized.

    This is why I stand for the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. It is “necessary to the security of a free State” else you have victims blaming themselves instead of protecting themselves.

    BA is one of many examples of willful defenselessness and its result. It’s too bad. Such a beautiful place given over to emboldened criminals.

  39. Mike P Says:

    My wife and her whole family are from BA. They still have family there. In the past 3 years they say it’s gotten so bad they don’t even leave their homes at night. All of them and their friends have been robbed at gun or knife point several times. Her brother was car jacked last year and shot twice in the arm.

    The BA municipal police are useless and are all on the take anyway.

  40. brooke Says:

    I am married to an Argentine and have travelled all over Argentina and live part of the year in Buenos Aires. My husbands family is a middle class family with nice but unpretentious houses, cars, clothes. Every single family member including myself has been robbed. My mother in law was held up at gun point by three men in her house. Her husband two years ago was held up at gun point in front of the house. My husbands aunt had everything in her house stolen. My brother in law had his car stolen. My other brother in law was held up at gun point while making deliveries to business. I had my computer stolen and was stalked for three weeks. My husband also had his computor stolen. All of my friends have been victims of petty theft in the street. All of these things happened in presumably safe neighborhoods during broad daylight in completely different parts of the city. Nobody wears jewelry and everyone is Argentine except me. Also I can tell you that it is common knowledge that nothing will happen and no one will be caught. A few robbers recently dug a huge hole under a bank and robbed several dozen safety deposite boxes. The alarm went of 30 or so times but since it was christmas vacation the police nor the bank manager cared to check it out. Guess what nobody has been caught. Welcome to Buenos Aires.

  41. Leticia Says:

    Dear fellow travelers, ex-pats..

    I work for Zig Zag Productions, a London based television company. We’re currently in production on a series of documentaries for NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.

    The aim of this series is to look at the scams that occur in cities around the globe that are aimed at tourists. We want to provide an informative travel show that emphasizes each city as a travel destination but at the same time aims to make tourists aware of popular scams like the ones mentioned here.

    If you have been a victim and would like to share your experience, contact me, also informing where you are based: leticia.meruvia@zigzag.uk.com

    Many thanks!

    Leticia

  42. Chuck Says:

    I have been to Buenos Aires 16 times and each time the petty crime seems worse. In Jan. 2011 I got on the Subte D to Catedral and immediately my wallet was taken out of my back pocket. I had known better not to carry my billfold there..but I forgot.
    Immediately I told my friend who went immediately toto went to where I had been standing and demanded from woman my billfold…I got it back,,minus 200 pesos.

    So, in Oct. I was going to meet my friend at Cafe Tortoni…so I took the Subte D to Catedtral. This time I put my wallet in my pantleg pocket which I felt would be safe. I looked around before getting on the Subte and even watch my leg while on the Subte…but in the blink of an eye…it was stolen.

    I was feeling bad about my experience in Argentina while I awaited my friend. I told her what happened so we went inside to have a coffee. While we were talking, my friend got a call to her cell phone and the caller ask if he was speaking..to Sra……….and she said yes. He said he had just found a billford which had her card in it. So, yes, I got my billfold back minus the 200 pesos. I return to him and gave him a reward…which he did not want to take…but finally, he understood why it was so important for me to say Thanks to him with the money.

    Several days later, I took a taxi ,,,paid my fare and got out….later, I discovered that I didnt have my billfold..and I thought I had left it at a cafe. Later when I got back to my apartamento, the security guard handed me my billfold…the taxi driver had found it and returned to me since I had a card with address of my apartamento.

    So, yes, I had some bad experiences…but the overwelming goodness that came to me…tells me that there are some very wonderful people in Buenos Aires.

    And yes,,,and now, I call myself….Senor Suerte….Mr. Lucky

    PS….Think I should put my future b illfolds on a locked chain!!!!

  43. Facts and First Impressions Buenos Aires — LandingStanding Says:

    […] Crime feels more present as even locals carry their bags in front of themselves and warn tourists about having their cameras stolen from around their neck. […]

  44. Josh Says:

    I was there for the first time in 2004 and then in November 2010.
    The experience for me was quite different. I was victim of a taxi driver who didn’t exactly take me to the place I requested ( i had to take another afterwards), then tried to fool me with the bill telling me i had given him a lower-value one, but i noticed and insited and he gave up.
    Some people told me Buenso Aires was the problem but when I went to Cordoba I had a similar experience, the taxi refused to take me to the hotel i told him, he said it was a bad zone/street and suggested me to search for other place. I told him to try another hotel downtown, he said yes but in the end took me to a youth Hostel ( i suspect it was his friend’s or something). I complained but he answered ” tomorrow you can go to a better place. stay here tonight”. I felt scared but i decided to stay there instead of insisting him to take me to another place. Who knows where he would have taken me if he already had did wha he wanted once!
    It’s a sense close to being kidnaped, not beign taken to the plece you request TWICE and in different cities. this may backfire tourism if the don’t fix it.
    Lesson learned, use only radio taxis.

  45. Juan Says:

    I had exactly the same experience as Alan on Florida St. A young guy was giving out cards and i said no thanks, so he said take it for later and i said sure even though i had no intention of visiting but then he said just come and get the card signed so i get credit and i agreed. Once i got in the girl just wanted to explain everything to me for my ‘future’ visit, I listened to her spiel and inisisted I had to leave. Here is where it got interesting, they brought me a ‘free’ coke for me and for the 2 girls that had now come to ‘explain’ things to me and to have a toast, i toasted with them but made sure not to take a sip because at this point I was very suspicious. I got up and at that point things got a little ugly, the 3 girls now were blocking my way saying that I needed to pay 60 for my free drink and 240 each for their drinks. I said I wasnt carrying any pesos but they didnt believe me. I had 35 pesos in my pocket which I offered to give them if they would just let me leave, they said it was 60 for my drink and accused me of pushing the girls, thye were no longer friendly at all. I literally begged them to let me leave but they inisisted I had to pay and wanted to see my wallet, i showed them but didnt open it completely to see the 300-400 pesos I had plus 20 USD because I knew they would take it all, I was still offering the 35 to just let me leave but they werent having it. Finally I just started moving towards the door, I’m not a small guy and when they said I was pushing them I rightly said that they were pushing me. As soon as I saw the daylight of the stair case I bolted, I wish I would have alerted the police but at that point I just wanted to get away as I was afraid for my life. In the end I got away without losing any money but it was definitely a learning experience.

  46. Bill Says:

    OK, here are my two cents. I live in Canada but was born in Buenos Aires. Just visited my family for a couple of weeks.

    1) Local citizens feel crime is out of control. People live in fear
    2) Coming from Canada, it’s a big change. Crime in Buenos Aires is way higher.
    3) As bad as it is, the city of Buenos Aires is way safer than Mexico or any other country in Latin America for that matter (except only Chile and Uruguay).
    4) Some more good news, Buenos Aires is safer than many big cities in the US. I’m as fearful in some areas of LA and Miami at night than in Buenos Aires. The homicides per 100,000 people are lower in Buenos Aires than in most large US cities.

    To conclude Argentina, is no Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan or China. That said is no worse than some areas of the US. And I take BA over Washington DC, New Orlean, St Louis, or Miami, and the crime statistics back me up on this one.

  47. Anilya Hosein Says:

    I am from the Caribbean, I spent six weeks in Santiago last year and it was a truly fabulous experience. Walked alone at night, visited many places alone, felt completely safe and had no incidences. I love to walk. I am contemplating visiting Argentina this summer for six weeks, I will be alone, I am female. It does not seem like the type of city I can be relaxed, sight see and practice my Spanish.

  48. Rahul Says:

    To add to these anecdotes, my cell phone was stolen in a very well coordinated theft. I was walking in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon, near the Plaza de Mayo area. Upon crossing a street, I hear a whistle, meant to sound like a bird, and get splattered liberally with green stuff that looks like bird poop. A lady walks up with tissues in hand and offers to help me clean up. A man joins her as well with tissues in hand to help me clean up. They are both older appearing, and look like they’re sincerely trying to help. Before I realize it, my cell phone is snatched out of a pouch I keep in my front waist. I was so distraught at getting hit by bird poop that I didn’t realize these guys had lifted my cell phone. There had to be at least 3 people coordinating this (one to drop the bird poop substance on me and 2 on the ground offering to help). I was left not only with my cell phone stolen, but with my clothes ruined by splattering with this green stuff that looked like bird poop. I’m a fit male in my late 30s, and I walk fairly fast. These guys were definitely pros in targeting me and pulling this kind of theft off in broad daylight. Be careful out there!

  49. Alejandro Says:

    I don’t know if you are aware of what is happening in Argentina lately or not, but it’s getting worse and worse. The criminals know that they can act with complete impunity and that is why the crime here has no limits. The president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has allowed criminials to leave the prisons – this is no joke – there is a new political group called “Vatayón Militante” which recruits incarcerated prisoners to attend political events organized by the president. Argentina has become a VERY dangerous place as the president continues her leftist populist tirade and crusade against any of the oposition with increasing voracity. The Kirchner presidency is the most corrupt to touch Argentina in modern times. She has no limits to strip people of their rights and has done everything in her power to INCREASE delinquincy all to keep the people scared. Cristina is trying to change the constitution of Argentina, similiar to what Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela. She is trying to change it to she can be continuously be re-elected as president indefinitely.
    This is how Kirchner stays in power: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw

  50. Ty Says:

    I’ve been living and studying in Buenos Aires for about 2 months now. I’ve almost been robbed once (he pulled out a knife, my friend pushed him and we ran in opposite directions), but that was at 4 in the morning and we were walking under a bridge in a bad area. From almost 100 feet away I could see the guy following our moves, but we kept walking. To be honest, the only time you ever get robbed here is if you’re being careless or if you don’t know anything about this city. If you read up on Buenos Aires, or have any friends here, you should be fine. To be honest, at times I have felt very unsafe in this city… but only at odd hours in areas where no one is out except for the criminals. Avoid that. Take taxis and DO NOT make that walk without being in a large group of people. Not even my Argentine friends do that. Just as a little hint. If I’m wearing a hoodie, I always walk around with my hood up (I look like an obvious American). My friend told me it was a good idea.

    By the way, right now Buenos Aires is going through a tough time economically and politically (the guy that went on the rant about Kirchner shows that). You can see this everywhere walking the streets, people don’t look happy. They all look paranoid and weary. It really isn’t a good time to be traveling to this city, to be honest. It’s an amazing city, but the amazingness is mired in the uneasiness and hard to find, sadly.

  51. nicasio Says:

    i travel to Argentine for 3 month is really one of the best Places vacation,people culture,really Amazing !! bs as yes some areas is bad,i never have any problem ,..
    i travel same year to Napoli, italy and i get robbed one time gun point and one time with a knife total 2 times in two weeks I’m so mad my passport and many more,,… so no worries is bad every big city just Be careful !

  52. Marija Says:

    Hi all,

    After reading all comments I really dont know what to think. I am going to BA in a month to learn Spanish all by myself from eastern Europe (I know the basics of the language). My question is how can I blend in and look like a local. I am not that tall or white :) after a few days on the sun I will become Latina. What kind of clothes do women wear in summer? I am not afraid of robbery because I have been to a lot of places and I am never reckles, but after reading this I see there is a lt of rapes? Taxi drivers? I will probably be taking metro all the time :(

  53. Alex Says:

    Is it realy That bad in BA? =( I beleive it’s just the same way in any big city unfortunately. My friend was robbed (wallet stolen) in Paris , France, a few years ago (on a subway). Heard of lots of crime in Europe in big cities. Never had any problems like that in US (heard of some crime in bad poor areas or big cities). Just need to be careful and everything will be all right.

  54. Carlo Sarci Says:

    I have been to Mexico City many times, but I felt safe.

    Buenos Aires is hell. Porteños live in constant fear.

    My friend has been held up at gunpoint 7 times in the last couple of years. During the day, at night, on a bus, at a store, on the train, on the subway and even at work.

    If you dare show a cell phone in the street, expect a gun be placed to your head.

    These animals are so out of control, that if you have nothing to give them, they will shoot you.

    Rape is epidemic.

    People go ringing doorbells during the day and night. If some unwise tenant / resident opens the door, he/she can expect the entire place to be robbed at gunpoint, apartment by apartment.

    It does not matter if it is the ritzy places downtown or the suburbs like Lomas (where she lives). Fear rules. Cops get killed.

    Corruption at levels rules this city. I have never seen anything like it and I have been all over the world.

    Stay away!

  55. Javier Says:

    I just visited BA for a week back in March. We went there to a training course for a week starting Monday, so we got in on Sunday afternoon, left our luggage at the hotel in Recoleta and immediately walked to Calle Corrientes to check if we could still get tickets for the Ian Anderson concert at the Grand Rex Theater. Afterwards, we walked Calle Florida all the way to Galerias Pacifico, where we started walking around checking out the shops. Out of the blue, a guy with a “so called” Federal Police ID approaches us and tells us that he had spoken to us last weekend at this same place, and that he had requested us to never return to Galerias Pacifico again. At first we thought he was looking for money, and so I approached the security officer at the door and asked for help, but the security officer just looked at me and did nothing. The guy continued shouting at us and demanded that we showed him our IDs. One of my friends gave him his ID and finally we all had to give him our IDs. We explained that we had just arrived in BA some hours ago, but the guy did not listen and continued his interrogation. We told him that we were going to a training course and that we were staying at a hotel in Recoleta, but he kept on shouting very aggressively and accusing us of lying. We kept on explaining him again and again that we had just arrived in the city some hours ago, until he “finally” looked at us, apologized and told us that had made a mistake. He then returned our IDs back and went his way.
    To this day I don’t know what the guy wanted, if he was a federal police officer as he claimed, or if he was a common thief that did not get his way because we got lucky. However, I am inclined to think that he really was a federal police officer who was trying to take advantage of three foreigners. So, be aware that these situations are common ground in BA, that these people are looking out for foreigners to take advantage of, and that some police officers are corrupt and trying to make and easy buck.

  56. Tim Says:

    I like how a lot of people are saying things like “It’s safe! I had problems and got robbed, but it was my fault!!”

    No. That’s exactly the point — it’s *not* safe, to the degree where you have to constantly watch your ass. It’s not “your fault” if someone robs you, ever. Thievery is never acceptable — but, in a city that’s this dangerous, yes, we have to make sure we’re vigilant, and take more precautions than would be needed in another less dangerous place.

    I love Buenos Aires — I call it “the perfect cross between sophistication and chaos”. I lived there for a few months. If you’re thinking of visiting, YOU SHOULD! It’s a wonderful city. The vibe is awesome. But don’t kid yourself: it’s dangerous. Crime is common. Sure, some people will have no problems; it’s a numbers game. But *most* people I know that live (or lived) there longer than just a small visit, have been robbed *at least* once. In New York/Berlin/Tokyo/etc, you hear of robberies occasionally, but it’s NOT NEARLY as regular an occurrence as it is in BsAs. (And many other large Latin American cities are even more dangerous — don’t let it stop you from visiting, but pay attention.)

    Latin American big cities are *not* “just like any other big city”. You can manage the danger, but you have to watch your ass. Stay out of areas you shouldn’t be in. Don’t carry things you don’t want to lose. Pay attention to your surroundings. Make local friends, and follow their lead — they know what not to do. Etc.

  57. Roy Says:

    I am a married to an Argentinean woman and lived in BA for 2 years its a great place and the everyday Argentineans are great but its not dangerouse say like London where I hail from you could get conned of mugged in London. South America is a different propersition I was speaking with 5 or 6 woman all of whom had been sexually assaulted or raped. There are guns everywhere we had a big dog and a smith & wesson at home. The police are useless or corrupt detection rates are LOW a policeman get shot in England is big news in BA its common. Having said all this its a woderfull country full of beautifull places great food good weather. The problem is poverty and desperation if you are not carefull you will get robbed my wife struggles in the UK but loves living without fear and we lived in an ok barrio oh and dont believe anything the govt says.

  58. Bernadette Says:

    Hi! I googled crime in Buenos Aires because I was just a victim of a robbery. I can tell you that I’v been all over the world, and no where has crime been this bad. I was walking down Cordoba at 1330, and a man came up from behind, ripped my Rolex off, got on a motorbike, the driver was waiting, and zoomed off. My watch has sentimental value — it was a gift from my late husband who died I Iraq. I went to the police station to file a report, and the couple waiting before me had the same thing happen to them. I’m here in BA on business with a group of 30, out of the 30 people, 4 of us have been robbed. One man in the group had his chain snatched, the same day I had my watch stolen. The other colleague was walking around Florida street, two people pretended to spill something on him and helped dry him off while a third person unzipped his backpack and stole his laptop. Another man has a similar situation where two people spilled something on him, tried to assist him, while a third person tried to pick his pocket. Ask yourself, have any of you ever known 5 people to be robbed in the same city within days, within hours of each other?? STAY OUT OF BUENOS AIRES!!!

  59. Jesse Says:

    I visited Buenos Aires in 2005 some years after the big crisis. Things were getting better..I spent around 10 days in BAires this trip…the taxi driver seemed quite fearful…in general, I noticed a paranoia amongst the portenos. No problem, felt completely safe this trip.

    In 2008, things changed. Things were getting more expensive, Macri was the mayor, inflation began to be a problem again. I remember taking a bus around Juncal, and someone attempted to pickpocket me walking down the aisle. It was blatent and I saw this evil smirk from beforehand, so my hands were in my pockets. Nothing happened.

    Then there were strikes blocking the autopista back to Ezeiza. There was an airline strike. Strikes, screaming people everywhere. I saw a car on fire rolling backwards down 9. de Julio. This was not the same city I remembered during my first trip.

  60. manni Says:

    I grew-up in London. I think that was a good training for any big city. Believe me, you would never dream of putting your wallet in your back pocket and walking down Oxford St. My only concern would be the kidnappings!

  61. Gary Says:

    ” Bill Says:
    March 24th, 2012 at 4:13 am

    Some more good news, Buenos Aires is safer than many big cities in the US. I’m as fearful in some areas of LA and Miami at night than in Buenos Aires. The homicides per 100,000 people are lower in Buenos Aires than in most large US cities.

    To conclude Argentina, is no Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan or China. That said is no worse than some areas of the US. And I take BA over Washington DC, New Orlean, St Louis, or Miami, and the crime statistics back me up on this one.”

    What? I assume you meant BA’s murder rate is HIGHER than most US cities? Otherwise your comment doesn’t compute.

    BA’s murder rate is slightly lower than St. Louis and much lower than New Orleans, but it is certainly higher than LA, Miami and Washington.

    The point remains that it’s higher than most cities in the US including the big three of New York, Chicago and the aforementioned LA.

  62. Robert K Says:

    I arrived in BA today, Oct. 16, 2014, caught an “official taxi” at the airport. The driver dumped me out on the street no where near where I was going and passed me off to another driver who he said spoke English. He didn’t. At least not well. The second driver told me he’d have to drop me two blocks from where I was going because the street was closed (which it wasn’t.) I prepared to pay him the 420 pesos, but he grabbed nearly 1000 pesos out of my hand (my fault) plus two $20s then dumped my large suitcase on the street and dashed away. I’d like to report this to the police but am not sure it’s even worth the trouble.

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